Drivers!!
Drivers!!
11-08-2017, 06:29 AM
purplewitch oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii... mostly girls ?? I know my perspective is different but ... statistics show its young lads who are far more dangerous because they tend to go out in groups streetracing and showing off to their mates. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying female drivers are better but from my experience the male youth is more prone to wrecklessness from peer pressure or alcohol/drugs and the female youth is probably more prone to chatting and not realising that driving a killing machine actually requires more concentration ! I think every generation, male and female .. has its good and bad habits .. they just change over the yearsWhen I said mostly girls it wasn't in reference to driving standards, but passing with a tiny number of minors (or none at all).
I totally agree that young males are more of a threat on the road, and are the ones in general who have horrific accidents soon after passing their tests.
However for this reason, the guys are treated much more harshly as though they're trying to fail them, whereas girls have it much easier (being more attractive doesn't help either :tongue_smilie
Even in my family, my brother and I got several more minors on our tests than my sister did, but we are both considerably better drivers than she is (at least when she passed, she's a lot better now thanks to a lot of supervision) and that is purely because they were trying as hard as they could to fail us as young 17 yr old males.
jsj24uk See how I've run out of ideas?I'm with you there, I really don't know exactly what the solution would be. You're right about increasing costs, it will lead to more unlicensed drivers (similar to insurance at the moment).
More policing for these would possibly be a solution, but when going after speeders is so lucrative not sure this would be done.
My only question would be though, how many would actually drive unlicensed? And aren't these the people that would have done it anyway, not really cost related, just that they're w*****s :biggrin:
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purplewitch oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii... mostly girls ?? I know my perspective is different but ... statistics show its young lads who are far more dangerous because they tend to go out in groups streetracing and showing off to their mates. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying female drivers are better but from my experience the male youth is more prone to wrecklessness from peer pressure or alcohol/drugs and the female youth is probably more prone to chatting and not realising that driving a killing machine actually requires more concentration ! I think every generation, male and female .. has its good and bad habits .. they just change over the yearsWhen I said mostly girls it wasn't in reference to driving standards, but passing with a tiny number of minors (or none at all).
I totally agree that young males are more of a threat on the road, and are the ones in general who have horrific accidents soon after passing their tests.
However for this reason, the guys are treated much more harshly as though they're trying to fail them, whereas girls have it much easier (being more attractive doesn't help either :tongue_smilie
Even in my family, my brother and I got several more minors on our tests than my sister did, but we are both considerably better drivers than she is (at least when she passed, she's a lot better now thanks to a lot of supervision) and that is purely because they were trying as hard as they could to fail us as young 17 yr old males.
jsj24uk See how I've run out of ideas?I'm with you there, I really don't know exactly what the solution would be. You're right about increasing costs, it will lead to more unlicensed drivers (similar to insurance at the moment).
More policing for these would possibly be a solution, but when going after speeders is so lucrative not sure this would be done.
My only question would be though, how many would actually drive unlicensed? And aren't these the people that would have done it anyway, not really cost related, just that they're w*****s :biggrin:
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11-08-2017, 06:31 AM
purplewitch you will very rarely if ever hear a man admit anywhere public, he kerbed his wheels etc..
Not true, in my experience most girls don't see kerbing alloys as any kind of incident and therefore don't really talk about it. Whereas guys treat this pretty much as though they've had a crash - look at the number of threads there are on motoring forums where a guy says "oh c**p I've kerbed my wheel"
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purplewitch you will very rarely if ever hear a man admit anywhere public, he kerbed his wheels etc..
Not true, in my experience most girls don't see kerbing alloys as any kind of incident and therefore don't really talk about it. Whereas guys treat this pretty much as though they've had a crash - look at the number of threads there are on motoring forums where a guy says "oh c**p I've kerbed my wheel"
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11-08-2017, 06:34 AM
Cost: 147,000
Published: June 1998
The object of this project was to document gender differences in either the pattern of road accident involvement or driving style. To achieve this, accident statistics were examined to determine whether such differences in accident involvement exist. It was found that males were more likely than females to be involved in a fatal accident and were more likely to be involved in accidents on bends, while overtaking and during the hours of darkness. Females were more likely than males to be involved in accidents at junctions. A more intensive study of 480 drivers under the age of 50 was also carried out. This involved the use of digitised video tests of driver speed choice, close following, gap acceptance, overtaking and hazard perception, and a questionnaire covering a range of factors, such as driver experiences, sensation seeking and attitudes to alcohol and drug use. Finally, a smaller scale observational study on young drivers was discussed to determine if there are differences between young men and women drivers in their everyday driving behaviour and to determine whether or not they are differentially affected by the presence of another young person in the car.
The main findings
Significant *** differences were observed for:
* speed choice;
* close following;
* violations;
* alcohol and drug use;
* length of time driven without a break;
* feelings of thrill and competitiveness derived from driving.
Significant age differences were observed for:
* close following;
* gap acceptance;
* hazard perception;
* alcohol and drug use;
* feelings of thrill and competitiveness derived from driving.
From the observational study:
* in the absence of passengers, young male drivers were observed to drive more dangerously than young female drivers;
* the presence of young male passengers was associated with more dangerous driving for both young male and female drivers;
* the presence of young female passengers was associated with safer driving for young male drivers, though was not associated with any difference in the behaviour of young female drivers.
Although the issue of *** differences is politically sensitive and scientifically complex, the dramatic shift in the demographics of the driving population compels enquiry. We have found that men and women differ in fatality risk and in the pattern of accident involvement and that the explanation for these differences lies not only in the different patterns of travel but also in the different behaviour and attitudes of men and women. The findings relating to young drivers and peer passengers are discussed in relation to graduated licensing schemes.
A follow up study, covering three years, and involving a PhD student from the University of Reading, will be undertaken between summer 1998 and summer 2001. This will investigate in more detail aspects of the above research findings which could not be followed up as part of the main project
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
FirebirdPhil
11-08-2017, 06:34 AM #33Professor Frank McKenna, Andrea Waylen and Matt BurkesPsychology Department, University of Reading
Cost: 147,000
Published: June 1998
The object of this project was to document gender differences in either the pattern of road accident involvement or driving style. To achieve this, accident statistics were examined to determine whether such differences in accident involvement exist. It was found that males were more likely than females to be involved in a fatal accident and were more likely to be involved in accidents on bends, while overtaking and during the hours of darkness. Females were more likely than males to be involved in accidents at junctions. A more intensive study of 480 drivers under the age of 50 was also carried out. This involved the use of digitised video tests of driver speed choice, close following, gap acceptance, overtaking and hazard perception, and a questionnaire covering a range of factors, such as driver experiences, sensation seeking and attitudes to alcohol and drug use. Finally, a smaller scale observational study on young drivers was discussed to determine if there are differences between young men and women drivers in their everyday driving behaviour and to determine whether or not they are differentially affected by the presence of another young person in the car.
The main findings
Significant *** differences were observed for:
* speed choice;
* close following;
* violations;
* alcohol and drug use;
* length of time driven without a break;
* feelings of thrill and competitiveness derived from driving.
Significant age differences were observed for:
* close following;
* gap acceptance;
* hazard perception;
* alcohol and drug use;
* feelings of thrill and competitiveness derived from driving.
From the observational study:
* in the absence of passengers, young male drivers were observed to drive more dangerously than young female drivers;
* the presence of young male passengers was associated with more dangerous driving for both young male and female drivers;
* the presence of young female passengers was associated with safer driving for young male drivers, though was not associated with any difference in the behaviour of young female drivers.
Although the issue of *** differences is politically sensitive and scientifically complex, the dramatic shift in the demographics of the driving population compels enquiry. We have found that men and women differ in fatality risk and in the pattern of accident involvement and that the explanation for these differences lies not only in the different patterns of travel but also in the different behaviour and attitudes of men and women. The findings relating to young drivers and peer passengers are discussed in relation to graduated licensing schemes.
A follow up study, covering three years, and involving a PhD student from the University of Reading, will be undertaken between summer 1998 and summer 2001. This will investigate in more detail aspects of the above research findings which could not be followed up as part of the main project
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
11-08-2017, 06:37 AM
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
FirebirdPhil
11-08-2017, 06:37 AM #34To add to Jim's list I think young/newly passed drivers should be BHP limited until they have been driving for at least 2 or 3 years, any traffic violation should mean a retest and the 2/3 year clock started again.........
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
11-08-2017, 06:38 AM
1990 Eunos Roadster in Mariner DU blue
Cobalt cat back, Decat pipe, 15in Red Rota GT3 alloys, Toyo tyres, Lowered on Coil overs, Red anti roll bars, 14degree timing mod, white dash kit, illuminated side marker lights,
Halo ring headlights, OEM windblocker, Bluetooth streaming HU, Blue leather handbrake and gear lever gaitor, Centre brake/tail light mod, Blue velour door cards, Polished cam cover, Polished front strut bar, 4xheadrest speakers, JDM floor mats, Suede semi dish steering wheel,
^^^^ what does all that mean, :laugh:
1990 Eunos Roadster in Mariner DU blue
Cobalt cat back, Decat pipe, 15in Red Rota GT3 alloys, Toyo tyres, Lowered on Coil overs, Red anti roll bars, 14degree timing mod, white dash kit, illuminated side marker lights,
Halo ring headlights, OEM windblocker, Bluetooth streaming HU, Blue leather handbrake and gear lever gaitor, Centre brake/tail light mod, Blue velour door cards, Polished cam cover, Polished front strut bar, 4xheadrest speakers, JDM floor mats, Suede semi dish steering wheel,
11-08-2017, 06:40 AM
parthiban My only question would be though, how many would actually drive unlicensed? And aren't these the people that would have done it anyway, not really cost related, just that they're w*****s :biggrin:
There would be thousands. Remember, think about how these people drive to begin with. Think about how much of a monkies these people give about each other? Think about how long they let their insuirance, tax and MOT lapse before they really get round to having it done. If they are happy enough to do this, they are going to me more than happy to go without licences. People moan enough that they have to pay me £25 per hour to get them safe enough to have a licence, even though, if they arn't compleatly brain dead, should last them a life time.
Even Purp's idea about having a staged licence, as good as it is in principle, isn't going to stop them. What percentage of the general public, do you think, would be happy to go and have their driving re-assesed? I bet you it would be about 5%. But then you are preaching to the converted because these people have probably already done their IAM or RoSPA, or they are class one police drivers.
As soon as we get to the bottom of attitude, we'd have cracked it. Untill then, keep your eyes peeled and always assume that every other motorist out there, unconciously wants to kill you.
parthiban My only question would be though, how many would actually drive unlicensed? And aren't these the people that would have done it anyway, not really cost related, just that they're w*****s :biggrin:
There would be thousands. Remember, think about how these people drive to begin with. Think about how much of a monkies these people give about each other? Think about how long they let their insuirance, tax and MOT lapse before they really get round to having it done. If they are happy enough to do this, they are going to me more than happy to go without licences. People moan enough that they have to pay me £25 per hour to get them safe enough to have a licence, even though, if they arn't compleatly brain dead, should last them a life time.
Even Purp's idea about having a staged licence, as good as it is in principle, isn't going to stop them. What percentage of the general public, do you think, would be happy to go and have their driving re-assesed? I bet you it would be about 5%. But then you are preaching to the converted because these people have probably already done their IAM or RoSPA, or they are class one police drivers.
As soon as we get to the bottom of attitude, we'd have cracked it. Untill then, keep your eyes peeled and always assume that every other motorist out there, unconciously wants to kill you.
11-08-2017, 06:40 AM
2tongues To add to Jim's list I think young/newly passed drivers should be BHP limited until they have been driving for at least 2 or 3 years, any traffic violation should mean a retest and the 2/3 year clock started again.........
But Phil its just not the new passed young learners, the 60yr+ drivers were so bad today, it really is a wonder that our cars are not bashed about more when we leave them in a parking space.
1990 Eunos Roadster in Mariner DU blue
Cobalt cat back, Decat pipe, 15in Red Rota GT3 alloys, Toyo tyres, Lowered on Coil overs, Red anti roll bars, 14degree timing mod, white dash kit, illuminated side marker lights,
Halo ring headlights, OEM windblocker, Bluetooth streaming HU, Blue leather handbrake and gear lever gaitor, Centre brake/tail light mod, Blue velour door cards, Polished cam cover, Polished front strut bar, 4xheadrest speakers, JDM floor mats, Suede semi dish steering wheel,
2tongues To add to Jim's list I think young/newly passed drivers should be BHP limited until they have been driving for at least 2 or 3 years, any traffic violation should mean a retest and the 2/3 year clock started again.........
But Phil its just not the new passed young learners, the 60yr+ drivers were so bad today, it really is a wonder that our cars are not bashed about more when we leave them in a parking space.
1990 Eunos Roadster in Mariner DU blue
Cobalt cat back, Decat pipe, 15in Red Rota GT3 alloys, Toyo tyres, Lowered on Coil overs, Red anti roll bars, 14degree timing mod, white dash kit, illuminated side marker lights,
Halo ring headlights, OEM windblocker, Bluetooth streaming HU, Blue leather handbrake and gear lever gaitor, Centre brake/tail light mod, Blue velour door cards, Polished cam cover, Polished front strut bar, 4xheadrest speakers, JDM floor mats, Suede semi dish steering wheel,
11-08-2017, 06:42 AM
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
FirebirdPhil
11-08-2017, 06:42 AM #38We park as far from the supermarket as possible - to get back to your original point!!!
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
11-08-2017, 06:51 AM
parthiban Not true, in my experience most girls don't see kerbing alloys as any kind of incident and therefore don't really talk about it. Whereas guys treat this pretty much as though they've had a crash - look at the number of threads there are on motoring forums where a guy says "oh c**p I've kerbed my wheel"
[COLOR="Indigo"]followed rapidly by... 'this girl made me swerve, the kerb moved, it was icy ... '
lol we all love this topic don't we ... there are some excellent posts all over the place on this topic
I agree actually Parthiban, in a forum.. which is predominantly a male environment .. I was thinking of my experience of the kind of environment CarpeDiem was describing.. a mixed large office environment.. In many years in corporate open plan offices, I can honestly say I never ever heard guys have these kind of discussions where women could hear them.. plenty in the kitchen, around the coffee machine when they though they were safe but no guy ever walked up to a 15 person mixed *** desk and admitted he drove stupidly or made an error of judgement.
I like your point about girls not seeing kerbing as that major and guys seeing it as a crash. It is a very good one and very true .. but for the most part I believe that to be about personal priorities. Generally women see their cars as a means of A to B, their priorities are more focussed on kids, household etc. For men, cars are their 'babies', a lot of time, effort and money goes into so many aspects of a mans pride and joy and it's a different perspective. I am with you totally on the seriousness of kerbing one of my wheels, I worked very hard and paid a lot of money for mine .. but very very very few of my female friends understand how I feel about my motors and in return I cringe when they say their own is a 'piece of metal' [/COLOR]
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [COLOR="DarkOrchid"]That symbol on the side of my door.. Definition by FirebirdPhil 'Translated it means -
"try to overtake - go on give it a go I dare you......." [/COLOR]
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purplewitch
11-08-2017, 06:51 AM #40parthiban Not true, in my experience most girls don't see kerbing alloys as any kind of incident and therefore don't really talk about it. Whereas guys treat this pretty much as though they've had a crash - look at the number of threads there are on motoring forums where a guy says "oh c**p I've kerbed my wheel"
[COLOR="Indigo"]followed rapidly by... 'this girl made me swerve, the kerb moved, it was icy ... '
lol we all love this topic don't we ... there are some excellent posts all over the place on this topic
I agree actually Parthiban, in a forum.. which is predominantly a male environment .. I was thinking of my experience of the kind of environment CarpeDiem was describing.. a mixed large office environment.. In many years in corporate open plan offices, I can honestly say I never ever heard guys have these kind of discussions where women could hear them.. plenty in the kitchen, around the coffee machine when they though they were safe but no guy ever walked up to a 15 person mixed *** desk and admitted he drove stupidly or made an error of judgement.
I like your point about girls not seeing kerbing as that major and guys seeing it as a crash. It is a very good one and very true .. but for the most part I believe that to be about personal priorities. Generally women see their cars as a means of A to B, their priorities are more focussed on kids, household etc. For men, cars are their 'babies', a lot of time, effort and money goes into so many aspects of a mans pride and joy and it's a different perspective. I am with you totally on the seriousness of kerbing one of my wheels, I worked very hard and paid a lot of money for mine .. but very very very few of my female friends understand how I feel about my motors and in return I cringe when they say their own is a 'piece of metal' [/COLOR]
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [COLOR="DarkOrchid"]That symbol on the side of my door.. Definition by FirebirdPhil 'Translated it means -
"try to overtake - go on give it a go I dare you......." [/COLOR]
I'm not an Outlaw; I'm a Poutlaw! Purple Supras are the bestest! I love purple .. a lot lot lot
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