Carbon skinning anyone?
Carbon skinning anyone?
18-10-2018, 01:27 PM
Tango - that looks fantastic, I'll definitely give it a go!
Edited 29-11-2011, 11:01 PM by el_bandido.
el_bandido
18-10-2018, 01:27 PM #11I mean skinning for now, will move on to proper fabrication if it goes well. Light inserts shouldn't be a problem as the majority of the surface I'm covering has a lot of space around it.
Tango - that looks fantastic, I'll definitely give it a go!
18-10-2018, 01:36 PM
Lexuspat That's not a bad job mate I like that
It's just a loose tray now, held in with 3M tape. It doesn't look as good as it appears in the pic though. Not happy with it.
May go for it and make up a vacuum mould to produce some parts from moulds as skinning is limited as to what parts can be skinned, and it's a lot of work for a cosmetic finish.
Also looking at dip coating as an alternative cosmetic finish to replicate carbon. Cous3 was checking out a company up North but I don't think they responded to him.
Edited 29-11-2011, 11:16 PM by Tango.
IS 200 Sport with a few mods, Standardish IS-F. The IS250 SE-L with a few mods has gone to a new home.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Lexuspat That's not a bad job mate I like that
It's just a loose tray now, held in with 3M tape. It doesn't look as good as it appears in the pic though. Not happy with it.
May go for it and make up a vacuum mould to produce some parts from moulds as skinning is limited as to what parts can be skinned, and it's a lot of work for a cosmetic finish.
Also looking at dip coating as an alternative cosmetic finish to replicate carbon. Cous3 was checking out a company up North but I don't think they responded to him.
IS 200 Sport with a few mods, Standardish IS-F. The IS250 SE-L with a few mods has gone to a new home.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
18-10-2018, 01:47 PM
el_bandido
18-10-2018, 01:47 PM #13I've had a quote for dipping, it doesn't look anywhere near as good as skinning. Ideally I want a set manufactured in carbon, but I've not had anything south of £300.
18-10-2018, 01:57 PM
el_bandido I've had a quote for dipping, it doesn't look anywhere near as good as skinning. Ideally I want a set manufactured in carbon, but I've not had anything south of £300.
Best of luck with the skinning. I found that really sharp contours couldn't be followed without making a total mess of the weave. In the case of that seat filler it was the two front corners. I ended up cutting the cloth to remove the excess, but it didn't look right. It's also very difficult to get all the air out from under the skinning. For a really neat job it requires moulds and the pieces made with the vacuum process, rather than skinning.
IS 200 Sport with a few mods, Standardish IS-F. The IS250 SE-L with a few mods has gone to a new home.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
el_bandido I've had a quote for dipping, it doesn't look anywhere near as good as skinning. Ideally I want a set manufactured in carbon, but I've not had anything south of £300.
Best of luck with the skinning. I found that really sharp contours couldn't be followed without making a total mess of the weave. In the case of that seat filler it was the two front corners. I ended up cutting the cloth to remove the excess, but it didn't look right. It's also very difficult to get all the air out from under the skinning. For a really neat job it requires moulds and the pieces made with the vacuum process, rather than skinning.
IS 200 Sport with a few mods, Standardish IS-F. The IS250 SE-L with a few mods has gone to a new home.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
18-10-2018, 02:07 PM
el_bandido
18-10-2018, 02:07 PM #15Bollocks. Ok, well I'll give it a bash anyway! Will make sure I wait until I've got a spare set of light inserts then.
19-10-2018, 05:48 AM
Where did you get the kit from incidentally? Quite tempted to have a play myself too.
speedfreek
19-10-2018, 05:48 AM #16An alternative to the vacuum is using a roller to squeeze out the air - but you run the risk of distorting the weave.
Where did you get the kit from incidentally? Quite tempted to have a play myself too.
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19-10-2018, 06:02 AM
speedfreek An alternative to the vacuum is using a roller to squeeze out the air - but you run the risk of distorting the weave.
Where did you get the kit from incidentally? Quite tempted to have a play myself too.
I wouldn't let my experience of skinning put people off. The component I skinned had sharp contours and concave areas which caused the problems. Simple gentle curves and convex areas should be comparitively easy.
I got my consumables from:
Carbon Mods
Unit 39
Park Hall Business Village
Longton, Stoke-on-Trent
ST3 5XA
VAT Number: 930 8005 51
Telephone: 01782 324000
http://www.carbonmods.co.uk/
IS 200 Sport with a few mods, Standardish IS-F. The IS250 SE-L with a few mods has gone to a new home.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
speedfreek An alternative to the vacuum is using a roller to squeeze out the air - but you run the risk of distorting the weave.
Where did you get the kit from incidentally? Quite tempted to have a play myself too.
I wouldn't let my experience of skinning put people off. The component I skinned had sharp contours and concave areas which caused the problems. Simple gentle curves and convex areas should be comparitively easy.
I got my consumables from:
Carbon Mods
Unit 39
Park Hall Business Village
Longton, Stoke-on-Trent
ST3 5XA
VAT Number: 930 8005 51
Telephone: 01782 324000
http://www.carbonmods.co.uk/
IS 200 Sport with a few mods, Standardish IS-F. The IS250 SE-L with a few mods has gone to a new home.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
19-10-2018, 06:59 AM
Here's how Lexus make one of the carbon components on the LFA...
As you can see, even top end manufacturers like Lexus don't use a purely carbon part. They carbon wrap a plastic part to add strength, without the weight that would come with making the whole thing from plastic.
[youtube]r-OXRgn4LRw[/youtube]
sprinter2012
19-10-2018, 06:59 AM #18As said though, carbon cloth is hard to get round corners without messing it up.
Here's how Lexus make one of the carbon components on the LFA...
As you can see, even top end manufacturers like Lexus don't use a purely carbon part. They carbon wrap a plastic part to add strength, without the weight that would come with making the whole thing from plastic.
[youtube]r-OXRgn4LRw[/youtube]
19-10-2018, 07:36 AM
Quote:As you can see, even top end manufacturers like Lexus don't use a purely carbon part. They carbon wrap a plastic part to add strength, without the weight that would come with making the whole thing from plastic.
I think the mandrel is removed after the resin impregnation. It just provides the shape for braiding.
Edited 30-11-2011, 05:11 PM by Tango.
IS 200 Sport with a few mods, Standardish IS-F. The IS250 SE-L with a few mods has gone to a new home.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Quote:As you can see, even top end manufacturers like Lexus don't use a purely carbon part. They carbon wrap a plastic part to add strength, without the weight that would come with making the whole thing from plastic.
I think the mandrel is removed after the resin impregnation. It just provides the shape for braiding.
IS 200 Sport with a few mods, Standardish IS-F. The IS250 SE-L with a few mods has gone to a new home.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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