Is traction control holding me back.....
Is traction control holding me back.....
When I'm out hooning in my IS and fell like flooring it out of a junction the traction control jumps in and says "No, no, no...... I won't let you!", So I turn it off and that improves the car's hooning ability a little bit. :biggrin:
Trouble is, I get the feeling that some electronic doohickey's still messing about with the throttle response when the car's in first (And possibly second). It's like somethings stifling how quick the car's (Limited) power comes in to stop me wheel spinning while it's in the lower gears. I've come to the conclusion that it can't (only) be that my IS200's gutless because I'm sure that it can get from 20 to 40 quicker than it does 0 to 20.
This makes me a sad little puppy because it also limits my ability to p**s off all my neighbours in the manner than they have become so accustom to. :whistling:
So, I'm wondering, Is there some electrickery going on here? And if so........ HOW DO I KILL IT!!!!!
I know my IS200 isn't going to be the oversteering go-cart that my MX5 used to be, But I feel that if I can't smoke the tyres out of a junction every once and a while, Why did I bother making sure that my 5's replacement was still rear wheel drive?:Sulk:
Scotty B.
Just pondering,
When I'm out hooning in my IS and fell like flooring it out of a junction the traction control jumps in and says "No, no, no...... I won't let you!", So I turn it off and that improves the car's hooning ability a little bit. :biggrin:
Trouble is, I get the feeling that some electronic doohickey's still messing about with the throttle response when the car's in first (And possibly second). It's like somethings stifling how quick the car's (Limited) power comes in to stop me wheel spinning while it's in the lower gears. I've come to the conclusion that it can't (only) be that my IS200's gutless because I'm sure that it can get from 20 to 40 quicker than it does 0 to 20.
This makes me a sad little puppy because it also limits my ability to p**s off all my neighbours in the manner than they have become so accustom to. :whistling:
So, I'm wondering, Is there some electrickery going on here? And if so........ HOW DO I KILL IT!!!!!
I know my IS200 isn't going to be the oversteering go-cart that my MX5 used to be, But I feel that if I can't smoke the tyres out of a junction every once and a while, Why did I bother making sure that my 5's replacement was still rear wheel drive?:Sulk:
Scotty B.
Erm, if you want to go about spinning the wheels everywhere like a chav, why not buy a saxo? You should be happy that what little power you have is all going into tractive effort to get your lardy car moving.
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
FirebirdPhil
09-07-2019, 12:27 AM #3Stick cheap ditch finders on and then it will spin all the time lol.
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
Fozzy Erm, if you want to go about spinning the wheels everywhere like a chav, why not buy a saxo?
WOW, Thanks for that. I think I'll go out and buy a chaved up a Citroen 106 right now. BYE BYE everyone !
.............Oh? Hang on? Wait a second......... NO, I've changed my mind again. I'm sticking with the IS200 for now.
Anyway....
Fozzy You should be happy that what little power you have is all going into tractive effort to get your lardy car moving.Is anyone happy with whatever level of power they've got?
But no, The point is I don't think all the power IS going into moving my lardy car. I think it's being held back excessively in first and in the dry I could use quite a lot of the extra traction that my reasonable decent tyres provide.
I am slightly worried about your sensible answer though...... Are you sure your on the right forum? :tongue_smilie:
Scotty B.
Fozzy Erm, if you want to go about spinning the wheels everywhere like a chav, why not buy a saxo?
WOW, Thanks for that. I think I'll go out and buy a chaved up a Citroen 106 right now. BYE BYE everyone !
.............Oh? Hang on? Wait a second......... NO, I've changed my mind again. I'm sticking with the IS200 for now.
Anyway....
Fozzy You should be happy that what little power you have is all going into tractive effort to get your lardy car moving.Is anyone happy with whatever level of power they've got?
But no, The point is I don't think all the power IS going into moving my lardy car. I think it's being held back excessively in first and in the dry I could use quite a lot of the extra traction that my reasonable decent tyres provide.
I am slightly worried about your sensible answer though...... Are you sure your on the right forum? :tongue_smilie:
Scotty B.
Fozzy is right, you should be happy that all your power is being transferred to the ground - that's helping you go faster. If all you are concerned about is spinning wheels, then you are driving the wrong car.
Wheel spins don't make for a faster car, greater transfer of power through the tyres to the ground does.
speedfreek
09-07-2019, 12:38 AM #5Of course your car is quicker from 20-40 than it is from 0-20. It takes significantly more power to move a stationary object and accelerate it to a given speed than it does from increasing speed of an already moving object.
Fozzy is right, you should be happy that all your power is being transferred to the ground - that's helping you go faster. If all you are concerned about is spinning wheels, then you are driving the wrong car.
Wheel spins don't make for a faster car, greater transfer of power through the tyres to the ground does.
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A lot of traction control systems will stay on even when "switched off", but even so I don't think it would be holding you back as much as you describe
If you really want to test that theory, find a gravel track, where you will have little traction and try spinning the wheels with TRC on and off and see what difference there is
No clearly power is everything, which everyone including me will always want more. It's just a large car like an is200 will always seem to bog down when getting started. It's all about momentum, once the car is moving it will always require less power to accelerate than it will from a standing start. The only way as Philip said is fit rubbish tyres so they spin, or get more power.
A lot of traction control systems will stay on even when "switched off", but even so I don't think it would be holding you back as much as you describe
If you really want to test that theory, find a gravel track, where you will have little traction and try spinning the wheels with TRC on and off and see what difference there is
FirebirdPhil Stick cheap ditch finders on and then it will spin all the time lol.I once put tyres made by "Stomil" on the back of my old 2.8 Capri, They were a tad "Interesting". The compound they were made from was...... Erm....... Bakelite I think!
They lasted forever, But had so little grip that you could near as darn it spin the car by slamming the door hard when you got out ! :drool:
Scotty B.
FirebirdPhil Stick cheap ditch finders on and then it will spin all the time lol.I once put tyres made by "Stomil" on the back of my old 2.8 Capri, They were a tad "Interesting". The compound they were made from was...... Erm....... Bakelite I think!
They lasted forever, But had so little grip that you could near as darn it spin the car by slamming the door hard when you got out ! :drool:
Scotty B.
speedfreek Wheel spins don't make for a faster car, greater transfer of power through the tyres to the ground does.Yes, But I find that intentionally going around the occasional corner sideways (When the only person at risk is myself) is a bit of a giggle.
I bet you two would be a barrel of laughs spectating at a round of the British Drift Championship, You'd be pointing and saying "He'd get around that corner a hell of a lot quicker if he didn't hang the back end out like that".:biggrin:
speedfreek Wheel spins don't make for a faster car, greater transfer of power through the tyres to the ground does.Yes, But I find that intentionally going around the occasional corner sideways (When the only person at risk is myself) is a bit of a giggle.
I bet you two would be a barrel of laughs spectating at a round of the British Drift Championship, You'd be pointing and saying "He'd get around that corner a hell of a lot quicker if he didn't hang the back end out like that".:biggrin:
I'm pretty sure that the IS doesn't have any lingering TC when it's off, in my car when it's off it's well and truly off.
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The car will also feel quicker from 20-40 than 0-20 as you've probably got into the power band then - there is a very noticeable step in power when you hit that 4-4.5k rev point.
I'm pretty sure that the IS doesn't have any lingering TC when it's off, in my car when it's off it's well and truly off.
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parthiban The car will also feel quicker from 20-40 than 0-20 as you've probably got into the power band then - there is a very noticeable step in power when you hit that 4-4.5k rev point.
Good point, But when I said 20 to 40 I mean in a higher gear so the rev range isn't hugely different in both cases. I'm definatley not getting to the point where the VVTI kicks in when I'm doing this.
It does feel like it's bogging down though, Almost like some doohickey that stops you revving the plums off it with the clutch down is having to think for a few seconds before letting the rev's climb quickly in first, Almost like "Snow" modes turned on.
Scotty B.
parthiban The car will also feel quicker from 20-40 than 0-20 as you've probably got into the power band then - there is a very noticeable step in power when you hit that 4-4.5k rev point.
Good point, But when I said 20 to 40 I mean in a higher gear so the rev range isn't hugely different in both cases. I'm definatley not getting to the point where the VVTI kicks in when I'm doing this.
It does feel like it's bogging down though, Almost like some doohickey that stops you revving the plums off it with the clutch down is having to think for a few seconds before letting the rev's climb quickly in first, Almost like "Snow" modes turned on.
Scotty B.
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