Is this illegal ???
Is this illegal ???
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Kouki monster
12-04-2020, 09:18 PM #1I just bin pulled over for being in boost lol if you know what I mean. Anyway while he was looking rd the car he said my rear wheels were illegal for sticking out but I said I thought it was only if the tread was sticking out. Who's ryt anybody know and he let me off for going a bit quick. Here's a pic of my rear wheels
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Sparkystav
12-04-2020, 11:02 PM #2Pretty sure it's just the tread.
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This question's been asked SOOOOO many times, On SOOOOO many forums. The trouble is that the answers not particularly simple.
It's perfectly possible for a car to pas an MOT but still not comply with the "Construction and Use" regulations that the police use.
As far as I know, There's nothing in the MOTers rule book that says tyres need to be within the wheel arch (Some MOTers will still fail or issue advisories for it though). All he needs to do is check they have tread and don't foul on anything. So telling the officer that it passed the MOT like that wont cut it.
The construction and use regulations that the police use have a different take on it though. I'm going to power phrase it here, because a few years back I read all the relevant sections to fully answer a similar question on another site and I don't want to read it again........ EVER! (I had to read some parts several time's, Just to get my head around the bizarre way they'd worded things. It's full of subsections and appendix's that seem to conflict with what the main section's just said. :cursing: ).
Anyway, From what I remember, As long as when you look vertically down at the arch, It obscures 80% of the diameter of the tread your OK. That doesn't mean you can get away with seeing 20% of the WHOLE tyres tread, Just 20% of the line between the tread and the sidewall. It doesn't mention sidewalls or rims though, So it shouldn't matter what you can see poking out of the arches, As long as less than 20%'s got tread on it.
It seems the reasoning behind these regulations is because the tread is the only part of a tyre that touches the road. So in theory, it's the only part that can flick water/mud/bit's of dead hedgehog up into the air and cause a hazard to other road users, So it's the only bit that needs to be covered (In the legal AND physical sense).
It can get a bit greyer on newer car's though. Some police officers think that the SVA rules can be applied to newer mass produced cars (Somewhere around 2005 and newer if IRRC). In essence, They can't (Unless the car's been substantially reengineered in several key areas), But that wont stop some trying. :bored:
A fair few people have asked the police officer to provide a copy of which regulation they believe you've broken. It turns out that quite a large proportion of officers aren't exactly sure which regulation they're actually stopping you for, They're usually too busy telling you that you're a very naughty boy (Or girl) and trying to hand you a fixed penalty notice. If they can't tell you on the spot which law you've broken (The specific regulation number, Not just a general "It's because your wheels are too wide, Sonny Jim") It's pretty hard for them to give you a ticket for breaking that regulation. In one case I've read about, The copper called for assistance when asked this question, And 2 other units that were in the immediate area came over so they could all (6 officers!!!) discuss what regulation (If any) was actually being contravened. After a while, That bloke was told to "Sort his cars wheels out !" and sent on his way without a ticket. :lol:
An officer will probably take the request for clarification better if it's put in the contexts of you wanting to read it so you can make sure that any future wheel related modifications fall within the "rules in his very important regulation book". :tongue_smilie:
Be warned though, Some officers have been known to just issue you with a CU30 (Using a vehicle with defective tyre or tyres), Just for "being a smart ar*e". How they see it, Most people would rather just take the fine and 3 points rather than going up against the police in court.
I hope that helps.
Scotty B.
Air filter by K+N, Exhaust by Japspeed, Brakes by Mintex......... And a scuffed rear arch by my sister.
First up, I can't see the picture, But that doesn't really matter too much.
This question's been asked SOOOOO many times, On SOOOOO many forums. The trouble is that the answers not particularly simple.
It's perfectly possible for a car to pas an MOT but still not comply with the "Construction and Use" regulations that the police use.
As far as I know, There's nothing in the MOTers rule book that says tyres need to be within the wheel arch (Some MOTers will still fail or issue advisories for it though). All he needs to do is check they have tread and don't foul on anything. So telling the officer that it passed the MOT like that wont cut it.
The construction and use regulations that the police use have a different take on it though. I'm going to power phrase it here, because a few years back I read all the relevant sections to fully answer a similar question on another site and I don't want to read it again........ EVER! (I had to read some parts several time's, Just to get my head around the bizarre way they'd worded things. It's full of subsections and appendix's that seem to conflict with what the main section's just said. :cursing: ).
Anyway, From what I remember, As long as when you look vertically down at the arch, It obscures 80% of the diameter of the tread your OK. That doesn't mean you can get away with seeing 20% of the WHOLE tyres tread, Just 20% of the line between the tread and the sidewall. It doesn't mention sidewalls or rims though, So it shouldn't matter what you can see poking out of the arches, As long as less than 20%'s got tread on it.
It seems the reasoning behind these regulations is because the tread is the only part of a tyre that touches the road. So in theory, it's the only part that can flick water/mud/bit's of dead hedgehog up into the air and cause a hazard to other road users, So it's the only bit that needs to be covered (In the legal AND physical sense).
It can get a bit greyer on newer car's though. Some police officers think that the SVA rules can be applied to newer mass produced cars (Somewhere around 2005 and newer if IRRC). In essence, They can't (Unless the car's been substantially reengineered in several key areas), But that wont stop some trying. :bored:
A fair few people have asked the police officer to provide a copy of which regulation they believe you've broken. It turns out that quite a large proportion of officers aren't exactly sure which regulation they're actually stopping you for, They're usually too busy telling you that you're a very naughty boy (Or girl) and trying to hand you a fixed penalty notice. If they can't tell you on the spot which law you've broken (The specific regulation number, Not just a general "It's because your wheels are too wide, Sonny Jim") It's pretty hard for them to give you a ticket for breaking that regulation. In one case I've read about, The copper called for assistance when asked this question, And 2 other units that were in the immediate area came over so they could all (6 officers!!!) discuss what regulation (If any) was actually being contravened. After a while, That bloke was told to "Sort his cars wheels out !" and sent on his way without a ticket. :lol:
An officer will probably take the request for clarification better if it's put in the contexts of you wanting to read it so you can make sure that any future wheel related modifications fall within the "rules in his very important regulation book". :tongue_smilie:
Be warned though, Some officers have been known to just issue you with a CU30 (Using a vehicle with defective tyre or tyres), Just for "being a smart ar*e". How they see it, Most people would rather just take the fine and 3 points rather than going up against the police in court.
I hope that helps.
Scotty B.
Air filter by K+N, Exhaust by Japspeed, Brakes by Mintex......... And a scuffed rear arch by my sister.
Kouki monster
13-04-2020, 12:47 AM #4So in other words there's not such a law against it but if I've got a copper in a bad mood he could give u a ticket and points for defective tyres?
Moral of the story was if they can't get you for one thing they will find something else. I was 18 and knew no better - I do now. Take a piddle in the washer bottle.
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
FirebirdPhil
13-04-2020, 01:10 AM #6I did unfortunately argue with a copper once, about a trivial matter, he called for clarification and his sargent came down inspected my car and prosecuted me for no water in the windscreen bottle. 3 points ans 30 quid fine...... Oops.
Moral of the story was if they can't get you for one thing they will find something else. I was 18 and knew no better - I do now. Take a piddle in the washer bottle.
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
Kouki monster So in other words there's not such a law against it but if I've got a copper in a bad mood he could give u a ticket and points for defective tyres?
Exactly. Unfortunately a large percentage of police officers were bullied at school and it still haunts them.
So now they have some "power" they go to work every day to try and get their own back on the people who bullied them.
Sadly they can never find them so they take it out on everyone else.
Kouki monster So in other words there's not such a law against it but if I've got a copper in a bad mood he could give u a ticket and points for defective tyres?
Exactly. Unfortunately a large percentage of police officers were bullied at school and it still haunts them.
So now they have some "power" they go to work every day to try and get their own back on the people who bullied them.
Sadly they can never find them so they take it out on everyone else.
Kouki monster So in other words there's not such a law against it but if I've got a copper in a bad mood he could give u a ticket and points for defective tyres?It's one of those grey areas. There doesn't seem to be any particular law against having wide wheels and stretched tyres except the bit about the arch having to obscure over 80% of the treads diameter, But there's so many ambiguously written regs that a copper in a bad mood could try using.
For example, A real ba*tard cop could argue that your wheels stick out so wide that they could represent a danger to pedestrians or other road users.
Scotty B.
Air filter by K+N, Exhaust by Japspeed, Brakes by Mintex......... And a scuffed rear arch by my sister.
Kouki monster So in other words there's not such a law against it but if I've got a copper in a bad mood he could give u a ticket and points for defective tyres?It's one of those grey areas. There doesn't seem to be any particular law against having wide wheels and stretched tyres except the bit about the arch having to obscure over 80% of the treads diameter, But there's so many ambiguously written regs that a copper in a bad mood could try using.
For example, A real ba*tard cop could argue that your wheels stick out so wide that they could represent a danger to pedestrians or other road users.
Scotty B.
Air filter by K+N, Exhaust by Japspeed, Brakes by Mintex......... And a scuffed rear arch by my sister.
FirebirdPhil Take a piddle in the washer bottle.And get arrested for exposing yourself in public. :tongue_smilie:
Stix44 Unfortunately a large percentage of police officers were bullied at school and it still haunts them.What a cynical view you have of the police there Stix........... You've probably hit the nail on the head, But still, It's very cynical. :w00t:
So now they have some "power" they go to work every day to try and get their own back on the people who bullied them.
Sadly they can never find them so they take it out on everyone else.
Air filter by K+N, Exhaust by Japspeed, Brakes by Mintex......... And a scuffed rear arch by my sister.
FirebirdPhil Take a piddle in the washer bottle.And get arrested for exposing yourself in public. :tongue_smilie:
Stix44 Unfortunately a large percentage of police officers were bullied at school and it still haunts them.What a cynical view you have of the police there Stix........... You've probably hit the nail on the head, But still, It's very cynical. :w00t:
So now they have some "power" they go to work every day to try and get their own back on the people who bullied them.
Sadly they can never find them so they take it out on everyone else.
Air filter by K+N, Exhaust by Japspeed, Brakes by Mintex......... And a scuffed rear arch by my sister.
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
FirebirdPhil
13-04-2020, 01:29 AM #10Lol not the first time.
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
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