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Interesting thread from a UK police forum ref HID's

Interesting thread from a UK police forum ref HID's

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toxo
Posting Freak
4,843
20-01-2018, 07:22 AM
#21
ormi As long as the bulbs have a pattern and alighned correctly you CANT fail a car fitted with hid's!! I will repeat YOU CAN'T. their is not a ruling yet on aftermarket hid's..theirfor they are tested as normal lights..end of...
Until their is a mot ruling the only thing they can fail for is beam pattern or poor alignment...

I know, you're right. My major gripe is with HIDs retrofitted to reflector housings, which are really hard to get a correct beam image from, in which case sometimes they will fail. I have had a car fail on this before.


ormi And their is already a way round failing for aftermarket hid's....hide the balasts you can't see you can't fail..the reason the tester is to look for the balasts..

Pretty trivial to just jack the back end of the car up while it's on the brake tester and see if the headlights self-level, innit? I know that's not strictly tested for but as and when there is a ruling on it self levelling will be the thing to check as it's very difficult to retrofit.
toxo
20-01-2018, 07:22 AM #21

ormi As long as the bulbs have a pattern and alighned correctly you CANT fail a car fitted with hid's!! I will repeat YOU CAN'T. their is not a ruling yet on aftermarket hid's..theirfor they are tested as normal lights..end of...
Until their is a mot ruling the only thing they can fail for is beam pattern or poor alignment...

I know, you're right. My major gripe is with HIDs retrofitted to reflector housings, which are really hard to get a correct beam image from, in which case sometimes they will fail. I have had a car fail on this before.


ormi And their is already a way round failing for aftermarket hid's....hide the balasts you can't see you can't fail..the reason the tester is to look for the balasts..

Pretty trivial to just jack the back end of the car up while it's on the brake tester and see if the headlights self-level, innit? I know that's not strictly tested for but as and when there is a ruling on it self levelling will be the thing to check as it's very difficult to retrofit.

ormi
Posting Freak
3,006
20-01-2018, 08:08 AM
#22
I do agree with you theirs too many people just slap these things on and never get them checked.when I fitted mine I spent ages getting a good pattern and kick off so I wouldn't get flashed at...
Just mot testers hands are tied unless their is a fault ie poor pattern.

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ormi
20-01-2018, 08:08 AM #22

I do agree with you theirs too many people just slap these things on and never get them checked.when I fitted mine I spent ages getting a good pattern and kick off so I wouldn't get flashed at...
Just mot testers hands are tied unless their is a fault ie poor pattern.


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TTE supercharger,pr0lex manifold,hks fcd,larger intercooler,apexi induction kit,silicone hose kit,IK22's,polished engine parts,TTE front bumper mod'd for intercooler,TRD side skirts,TRD rear lip,JDM headlights and fogs,10k hid headlights 8k full beam,L8XSS p/plate,fog/brake/light conversion,18"fox rs's,lowered 90mm(f)100mm®,moleys under bars,yellow trd anti rollbars,full stainless exhaust,carbon fiber intake plus so much more

Phil01
Posting Freak
2,004
20-01-2018, 08:33 AM
#23
One thing everyone is overlooking,
On Hid's its not all about correctly aligned headlights its the amount of excess light scatter that is a major problem, yes you can have a correct beam aim with the correct kick up to the left but in a poorly designed reflector/ lens the amount of hot spots/light scatter is huge, especially with H4 Bi-xenon's all this equates to is glare. in a properly designed headlight that will be running hid's this issue is designed out of it from the manufacture.
Fact-After market HID will produce more glare/scatter than halogen and this is what is causing the problem
Phil01
20-01-2018, 08:33 AM #23

One thing everyone is overlooking,
On Hid's its not all about correctly aligned headlights its the amount of excess light scatter that is a major problem, yes you can have a correct beam aim with the correct kick up to the left but in a poorly designed reflector/ lens the amount of hot spots/light scatter is huge, especially with H4 Bi-xenon's all this equates to is glare. in a properly designed headlight that will be running hid's this issue is designed out of it from the manufacture.
Fact-After market HID will produce more glare/scatter than halogen and this is what is causing the problem

fluff
Senior Member
688
20-01-2018, 08:37 AM
#24
Um, just a quickie about self levelling. By the time they have self leveled, they have normally blinded who ever is coming the other way anyway. The LS is goos at doing that with it's projector lights and my old GS did the same. Self leveling headlights normally can't keep up.

Headlight washers? They make dirty headlights wet with soapy water then the dirt dries anyway.

If you fit HID's, make sure you have the beam tested and adjusted. I had them fitted to my old Micra for three years without a problem and it passed the MOT with no troubles either.
fluff
20-01-2018, 08:37 AM #24

Um, just a quickie about self levelling. By the time they have self leveled, they have normally blinded who ever is coming the other way anyway. The LS is goos at doing that with it's projector lights and my old GS did the same. Self leveling headlights normally can't keep up.

Headlight washers? They make dirty headlights wet with soapy water then the dirt dries anyway.

If you fit HID's, make sure you have the beam tested and adjusted. I had them fitted to my old Micra for three years without a problem and it passed the MOT with no troubles either.

Sparkystav
Administrator
14,683
20-01-2018, 08:43 AM
#25
them posts are from 2009, the last one in March 2010!

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Sparkystav
20-01-2018, 08:43 AM #25

them posts are from 2009, the last one in March 2010!


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Phil01
Posting Freak
2,004
20-01-2018, 08:53 AM
#26
what difference does the thread age have to do with it, still a very current problem as more drivers are converting to Xenon
Phil01
20-01-2018, 08:53 AM #26

what difference does the thread age have to do with it, still a very current problem as more drivers are converting to Xenon

Moley
Posting Freak
6,230
20-01-2018, 12:22 PM
#27
Well I've never been flashed at for my HID's

When they were first fitted I got my mate who is a MOT tester to set them up for me.

And never had any problems !!

And dont start with the 4x4 drivers , we have a X3 :Bazza: LOL

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Moley
20-01-2018, 12:22 PM #27

Well I've never been flashed at for my HID's

When they were first fitted I got my mate who is a MOT tester to set them up for me.

And never had any problems !!

And dont start with the 4x4 drivers , we have a X3 :Bazza: LOL


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spikes
Posting Freak
1,153
20-01-2018, 12:31 PM
#28
mine passed mot yesterday with hid's:thumbup1:

spikes
spikes
20-01-2018, 12:31 PM #28

mine passed mot yesterday with hid's:thumbup1:


spikes

jimxms
Posting Freak
2,473
21-01-2018, 06:01 AM
#29
I've been flashed by a fair few people who seem to think I've got full beams on. Thats with factory auto-leveling HID's too!

Not had any more trouble since putting the eyelids on tho :p
jimxms
21-01-2018, 06:01 AM #29

I've been flashed by a fair few people who seem to think I've got full beams on. Thats with factory auto-leveling HID's too!

Not had any more trouble since putting the eyelids on tho :p

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