AEM Water Methanol Injection kits.
AEM Water Methanol Injection kits.
AEM claims Gains as much as 20% more horsepower and 25% more torque on pump gas are common.
liquidlazer
21-02-2019, 09:41 AM #1Hey guys have any of you all looked into this combination with the supercharger? What are the pros and cons of this set up with the charger?
AEM claims Gains as much as 20% more horsepower and 25% more torque on pump gas are common.
liquidlazer Hey guys have any of you all looked into this combination with the supercharger? What are the pros and cons of this set up with the charger?
AEM claims Gains as much as 20% more horsepower and 25% more torque on pump gas are common.
I would expect nowhere near those types of gains with that setup, if a water/meth injection kit gave 40bhp boost on the TTE charger then we would all be running them! I would expect very small power gains, if any, though the reduced temperatures may be advantageous when really pushing hard?
Someone with a more in depth knowledge will hopefully give you a more complete explanation!
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ad: It was a tough call to make, but the Supercharged IS200 is being retired. ad:liquidlazer Hey guys have any of you all looked into this combination with the supercharger? What are the pros and cons of this set up with the charger?
AEM claims Gains as much as 20% more horsepower and 25% more torque on pump gas are common.
I would expect nowhere near those types of gains with that setup, if a water/meth injection kit gave 40bhp boost on the TTE charger then we would all be running them! I would expect very small power gains, if any, though the reduced temperatures may be advantageous when really pushing hard?
Someone with a more in depth knowledge will hopefully give you a more complete explanation!
ad: It was a tough call to make, but the Supercharged IS200 is being retired. ad:Water/meth injection is one of components that helps Bisimoto get 724whp and 500ft/lbs out of a Honda D16Z6 1.6L engine.
Speedhunters feature:
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010/11/...wagon.aspx
The reasons I don’t like it are:
1) The idea of deliberately injecting water into my engine is unnatural
2) Having to keep on top of the water and meth levels because if you run out then the fuel rates in the map are suddenly incorrect.
I think 40BHP sounds reasonable.
Water/meth injection is one of components that helps Bisimoto get 724whp and 500ft/lbs out of a Honda D16Z6 1.6L engine.
Speedhunters feature:
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010/11/...wagon.aspx
The reasons I don’t like it are:
1) The idea of deliberately injecting water into my engine is unnatural
2) Having to keep on top of the water and meth levels because if you run out then the fuel rates in the map are suddenly incorrect.
The kit tells you when your running low - if your so lazy you can't check the bottle level once a week or month then you will have more issues then running out of water lol.
The meth kit for a turbo set up I was considering for the trans Am shows proven gains of 60BHP - because the map is more aggressive etc.
There is a school of thought tat every FI car should be fitted with water injection, manufacturers don't do it because of the extra regular maintenance that they know people won't do and the extra cost involved.
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FirebirdPhil
21-02-2019, 09:09 PM #4Injecting water into your engine isn't unnatural its been done on many race cars for years (rally turbo cars for example)
The kit tells you when your running low - if your so lazy you can't check the bottle level once a week or month then you will have more issues then running out of water lol.
The meth kit for a turbo set up I was considering for the trans Am shows proven gains of 60BHP - because the map is more aggressive etc.
There is a school of thought tat every FI car should be fitted with water injection, manufacturers don't do it because of the extra regular maintenance that they know people won't do and the extra cost involved.
"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
2tongues The meth kit for a turbo set up I was considering for the trans Am shows proven gains of 60BHP - because the map is more aggressive etc.
Yes, but 60hp on an already turbo'd Trans Am V8 is nowhere near a 20% gain, and so 40hp gain on a charged IS200 (roughly 20%) is not realistic. Plus, you said that was due to a more aggressive map, whereas I don't think the original poster was planning to remap his Lexus, as this is not a simple or cheap process itself.
ad: It was a tough call to make, but the Supercharged IS200 is being retired. ad:2tongues The meth kit for a turbo set up I was considering for the trans Am shows proven gains of 60BHP - because the map is more aggressive etc.
Yes, but 60hp on an already turbo'd Trans Am V8 is nowhere near a 20% gain, and so 40hp gain on a charged IS200 (roughly 20%) is not realistic. Plus, you said that was due to a more aggressive map, whereas I don't think the original poster was planning to remap his Lexus, as this is not a simple or cheap process itself.
ad: It was a tough call to make, but the Supercharged IS200 is being retired. ad:the gains are good for it, but i agree only with a remap to account for it. evenm without a remap it helps protect the engine by cooling the intake charge temps.
as for filling the tank theres various things to check that from a simple level meter to flow meters that also detect blocked jets etc and send a signal to your ecu to bring your map back inline.
Also wont be injecting all the time just on fullish throttle so around 5%-10% of your fuel tank sized container should mean you only have to fill it every time you fill your tank
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Sparkystav
22-02-2019, 01:38 AM #7Im fitting it now to the Lex and doing a lot of research,.
the gains are good for it, but i agree only with a remap to account for it. evenm without a remap it helps protect the engine by cooling the intake charge temps.
as for filling the tank theres various things to check that from a simple level meter to flow meters that also detect blocked jets etc and send a signal to your ecu to bring your map back inline.
Also wont be injecting all the time just on fullish throttle so around 5%-10% of your fuel tank sized container should mean you only have to fill it every time you fill your tank
Read my thread here: The Evolution of my Turbo Lexus from NA-Supercharged-Twin Turbo-Massive Single
Please leave your comments.
1 Helps alot with intake temps. The charger gives off alot of heat.
2 Helps by raising the octane value of the gas a little.
3 You have more range in tuning.
4 Helps prevent detonation.
I think you can set a fail safe on it also so if u run out of meth or for some reason you are still safe and would not hurt your engine.
liquidlazer
22-02-2019, 05:27 AM #8Sounds good to me guys. With the smallest size nozzle and the correct spray formation that is a fine mist you dont have to worry about engine damage due to much water entering the engine. Also from what i have found from ppl using it.
1 Helps alot with intake temps. The charger gives off alot of heat.
2 Helps by raising the octane value of the gas a little.
3 You have more range in tuning.
4 Helps prevent detonation.
I think you can set a fail safe on it also so if u run out of meth or for some reason you are still safe and would not hurt your engine.
1 Larger pulley.
2 Bigger injectors.
3 Walbro fuel pump.
4 Larger intercooer.
5 E-manage ultimate.
6 AEM water/meth injection.
What are your views on this?
Take into consideration only draw back i see is that the car is auto.
liquidlazer
22-02-2019, 05:33 AM #9In terms of my set up was thinking.
1 Larger pulley.
2 Bigger injectors.
3 Walbro fuel pump.
4 Larger intercooer.
5 E-manage ultimate.
6 AEM water/meth injection.
What are your views on this?
Take into consideration only draw back i see is that the car is auto.
liquidlazer In terms of my set up was thinking.
1 Larger pulley.
2 Bigger injectors.
3 Walbro fuel pump.
4 Larger intercooer.
5 E-manage ultimate.
6 AEM water/meth injection.
What are your views on this?
Take into consideration only draw back i see is that the car is auto.
With that setup you should see some benefit. With the standard charger setup alone you would not (negligible difference anyway).
ad: It was a tough call to make, but the Supercharged IS200 is being retired. ad:liquidlazer In terms of my set up was thinking.
1 Larger pulley.
2 Bigger injectors.
3 Walbro fuel pump.
4 Larger intercooer.
5 E-manage ultimate.
6 AEM water/meth injection.
What are your views on this?
Take into consideration only draw back i see is that the car is auto.
With that setup you should see some benefit. With the standard charger setup alone you would not (negligible difference anyway).
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