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My Indecisive 4.0 V8 1UZ-FE Project

My Indecisive 4.0 V8 1UZ-FE Project

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toxo
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06-02-2019, 04:15 AM
Ordered 2 Soarer engine mount brackets today. Will see if they line up (they should do, the Soarer uses the same subframe for the 1UZ and 1JZ so in theory the engine mount points will be closer together) and if not Toyota will let me return them for no charge Big Grin
toxo
06-02-2019, 04:15 AM #151

Ordered 2 Soarer engine mount brackets today. Will see if they line up (they should do, the Soarer uses the same subframe for the 1UZ and 1JZ so in theory the engine mount points will be closer together) and if not Toyota will let me return them for no charge Big Grin

Sparkystav
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06-02-2019, 04:33 AM
Thats ok from toyota! youd have thought theyd be pretty one off so wouldnt let you return them

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Sparkystav
06-02-2019, 04:33 AM #152

Thats ok from toyota! youd have thought theyd be pretty one off so wouldnt let you return them


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toxo
Posting Freak
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06-02-2019, 05:00 AM
Their usual terms are 10% restocking fee, if returned within 14 days. But as usual with these things, it's not what you know...

The mounts look smaller in the parts catalogue but you can't rely on the diagrams from that really, they still use the 94 engine diagrams for a lot of the 97 stuff.
Edited 19-03-2012, 02:35 PM by toxo.
toxo
06-02-2019, 05:00 AM #153

Their usual terms are 10% restocking fee, if returned within 14 days. But as usual with these things, it's not what you know...

The mounts look smaller in the parts catalogue but you can't rely on the diagrams from that really, they still use the 94 engine diagrams for a lot of the 97 stuff.

Adarmo
Junior Member
15
06-02-2019, 08:27 AM
toxo Who wants to see what the best part of £900 worth of Toyota spares looks like? :lol:

With the best will in the world...

Haven't you just spent the cost of a replacement engine there ?

Are OEM Toyota bits really better than decent aftermarket ones ?
(generally the manufacturers don't make their own parts, they just buy them in)

Still good to see progress. :thumbup1:
Adarmo
06-02-2019, 08:27 AM #154

toxo Who wants to see what the best part of £900 worth of Toyota spares looks like? :lol:

With the best will in the world...

Haven't you just spent the cost of a replacement engine there ?

Are OEM Toyota bits really better than decent aftermarket ones ?
(generally the manufacturers don't make their own parts, they just buy them in)

Still good to see progress. :thumbup1:

toxo
Posting Freak
4,843
06-02-2019, 08:38 AM
Adarmo With the best will in the world...

Quite alright! I knew someone would say something

Adarmo Haven't you just spent the cost of a replacement engine there ?

Not really. A *new* engine is a lot more, and any second hand one would need servicing anyway, and for that money would likely come with little or no service history. Given the state of the rest of the LS400 I don't think it was well looked after, so it definitely needs it. Also that's what the parts retail at, not what I paid Wink

If I could have afforded it I'd have bought the engine new. I'm not trying to do this to a budget, I'm trying to do it right. Those service parts were less than a tenth of what the project will end up costing as a whole.

Adarmo Are OEM Toyota bits really better than decent aftermarket ones ?
(generally the manufacturers don't make their own parts, they just buy them in)

Yes and no. I used to use blueprint parts on my MR2 until they sent me a thermostat that never opened and a distributor cap that lasted 2000 miles. There aren't too many other pattern manufacturers for these engines (it's not like you can just pop down Eurocarparts). Also, a lot of the pattern parts will work just fine on the vehicle that they are designed for, but the stresses change when you start upgrading / using components from a different vehicle. An example of this is the popular Camry V6 engine swap in to the MR2. A very well known pattern manufacturers water pump has a differently designed impellor. This is fine when installed in the Camry but when it has 10 extra litres of water to move about it's not up to the job - the Toyota one is. Often if you compare the designs of things like the impellors on water pumps, the castings on plastic parts etc to the OE parts the differences are obvious.

As a result of the above, I try to use OE parts wherever possible. For other things like the spark plugs (Denso equivalent of IK20) they're cheaper than buying them anywhere else!

Adarmo Still good to see progress. :thumbup1:

Ta Wink
Edited 19-03-2012, 06:22 PM by toxo.
toxo
06-02-2019, 08:38 AM #155

Adarmo With the best will in the world...

Quite alright! I knew someone would say something

Adarmo Haven't you just spent the cost of a replacement engine there ?

Not really. A *new* engine is a lot more, and any second hand one would need servicing anyway, and for that money would likely come with little or no service history. Given the state of the rest of the LS400 I don't think it was well looked after, so it definitely needs it. Also that's what the parts retail at, not what I paid Wink

If I could have afforded it I'd have bought the engine new. I'm not trying to do this to a budget, I'm trying to do it right. Those service parts were less than a tenth of what the project will end up costing as a whole.

Adarmo Are OEM Toyota bits really better than decent aftermarket ones ?
(generally the manufacturers don't make their own parts, they just buy them in)

Yes and no. I used to use blueprint parts on my MR2 until they sent me a thermostat that never opened and a distributor cap that lasted 2000 miles. There aren't too many other pattern manufacturers for these engines (it's not like you can just pop down Eurocarparts). Also, a lot of the pattern parts will work just fine on the vehicle that they are designed for, but the stresses change when you start upgrading / using components from a different vehicle. An example of this is the popular Camry V6 engine swap in to the MR2. A very well known pattern manufacturers water pump has a differently designed impellor. This is fine when installed in the Camry but when it has 10 extra litres of water to move about it's not up to the job - the Toyota one is. Often if you compare the designs of things like the impellors on water pumps, the castings on plastic parts etc to the OE parts the differences are obvious.

As a result of the above, I try to use OE parts wherever possible. For other things like the spark plugs (Denso equivalent of IK20) they're cheaper than buying them anywhere else!

Adarmo Still good to see progress. :thumbup1:

Ta Wink

Sparkystav
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06-02-2019, 08:38 AM
It's about money though, it's about being different IMHO

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Sparkystav
06-02-2019, 08:38 AM #156

It's about money though, it's about being different IMHO


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Adarmo
Junior Member
15
06-02-2019, 08:48 AM
Funny you should mention Blueprint.

I've just had one of their water pumps pack up after 2 yrs - OEM last 10+
Adarmo
06-02-2019, 08:48 AM #157

Funny you should mention Blueprint.

I've just had one of their water pumps pack up after 2 yrs - OEM last 10+

toxo
Posting Freak
4,843
06-02-2019, 08:49 AM
Adarmo Funny you should mention Blueprint.

I've just had one of their water pumps pack up after 2 yrs - OEM last 10+

After the thermostat I won't touch their stuff with a bargepole! It can only take a small component to take out an engine...
toxo
06-02-2019, 08:49 AM #158

Adarmo Funny you should mention Blueprint.

I've just had one of their water pumps pack up after 2 yrs - OEM last 10+

After the thermostat I won't touch their stuff with a bargepole! It can only take a small component to take out an engine...

Adarmo
Junior Member
15
06-02-2019, 08:50 AM
Sparkystav It's about money though, it's about being different IMHO

I didn't mean a replacement RX7 engine (and good ones are around £2k+)

I meant it might be cheaper to run this one till it blows then stick a replacement V8 in.
Adarmo
06-02-2019, 08:50 AM #159

Sparkystav It's about money though, it's about being different IMHO

I didn't mean a replacement RX7 engine (and good ones are around £2k+)

I meant it might be cheaper to run this one till it blows then stick a replacement V8 in.

toxo
Posting Freak
4,843
06-02-2019, 08:50 AM
Adarmo I didn't mean a replacement RX7 engine (and good ones are around £2k+)

I meant it might be cheaper to run this one till it blows then stick a replacement V8 in.

That would make sense if the engine were staying standard. This one (most likely) won't be. Depends how much I like it once it's all together and on the road.

Bizarrely because this car's already had 1 Toyota engine in it, I think it'd actually be more expensive to put it back to running a rotary :lol:
Edited 19-03-2012, 06:25 PM by toxo.
toxo
06-02-2019, 08:50 AM #160

Adarmo I didn't mean a replacement RX7 engine (and good ones are around £2k+)

I meant it might be cheaper to run this one till it blows then stick a replacement V8 in.

That would make sense if the engine were staying standard. This one (most likely) won't be. Depends how much I like it once it's all together and on the road.

Bizarrely because this car's already had 1 Toyota engine in it, I think it'd actually be more expensive to put it back to running a rotary :lol:

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