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deckie77
Senior Member
412
02-11-2016, 11:43 PM
#41
I now have Toyo T1, put these on after the set that came with the wheels (KUMHO) got worn on the inside fronts due to Geo, got the Geo set-up, and put on the toyo's, this was in the spring, so they were fine at this time of year and into the summer. They were cheap at £70 per tyre fitted, but was told they were a good tyre for all weathers and since i dont drive like a maniac they would do me fine. and they have, until it's now wet all the time.

There certinally was no issue over the winter / wet months last year when running the Kumho's (even with the geo out!!!) didn't go for them again as i figured they were just cheapies to make the deal i got on the wheels affordable, wishing now i had just got them again.

Been reading reviews on the Toyo's, some swear by them, some dont, as usual, opinions differ greatly, but i cannot put this problem down to anything else.

I still have the Lex 17's up the loft with good tyres, so they will go back on for the winter now, and keep the replacement wheels for spring / summer again, this way i wont have the expense of changing 4 tyres with like new tread.

[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Lexus IS200 Sport

TRD'd, Lowered, 18" Kahn Rep's, K & N, Denso IK20's, 7" JVC DVD & Satnav, Fog 2 Brake, shiney interior bits
SOLDConfusedad: - Now a German Drug Dealer:biggrin:
deckie77
02-11-2016, 11:43 PM #41

I now have Toyo T1, put these on after the set that came with the wheels (KUMHO) got worn on the inside fronts due to Geo, got the Geo set-up, and put on the toyo's, this was in the spring, so they were fine at this time of year and into the summer. They were cheap at £70 per tyre fitted, but was told they were a good tyre for all weathers and since i dont drive like a maniac they would do me fine. and they have, until it's now wet all the time.

There certinally was no issue over the winter / wet months last year when running the Kumho's (even with the geo out!!!) didn't go for them again as i figured they were just cheapies to make the deal i got on the wheels affordable, wishing now i had just got them again.

Been reading reviews on the Toyo's, some swear by them, some dont, as usual, opinions differ greatly, but i cannot put this problem down to anything else.

I still have the Lex 17's up the loft with good tyres, so they will go back on for the winter now, and keep the replacement wheels for spring / summer again, this way i wont have the expense of changing 4 tyres with like new tread.


[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Lexus IS200 Sport

TRD'd, Lowered, 18" Kahn Rep's, K & N, Denso IK20's, 7" JVC DVD & Satnav, Fog 2 Brake, shiney interior bits
SOLDConfusedad: - Now a German Drug Dealer:biggrin:

steviewevie
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7,993
02-11-2016, 11:45 PM
#42
deckie77 I now have Toyo T1

I have the Toyo T1-R's, and I think they're awesome :biggrin:

[Image: Sig-enginebay.jpg]
IS200 Turbo project now just about complete ! See my thread here and leave your comments.
Now running standalone Syvecs ECU and no stock ECU !
steviewevie
02-11-2016, 11:45 PM #42

deckie77 I now have Toyo T1

I have the Toyo T1-R's, and I think they're awesome :biggrin:


[Image: Sig-enginebay.jpg]
IS200 Turbo project now just about complete ! See my thread here and leave your comments.
Now running standalone Syvecs ECU and no stock ECU !

deckie77
Senior Member
412
03-11-2016, 12:08 AM
#43
That's them Stevie, I know that you are lowered & have ARB's, where i dont, but that mods are noticed at higher speeds / hard cornering right?
as far as tyre contact on wet roads at lower speeds, i would have thought you may have seen the same as i am seeing?

or am i getting this wrong aswell???

[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Lexus IS200 Sport

TRD'd, Lowered, 18" Kahn Rep's, K & N, Denso IK20's, 7" JVC DVD & Satnav, Fog 2 Brake, shiney interior bits
SOLDConfusedad: - Now a German Drug Dealer:biggrin:
deckie77
03-11-2016, 12:08 AM #43

That's them Stevie, I know that you are lowered & have ARB's, where i dont, but that mods are noticed at higher speeds / hard cornering right?
as far as tyre contact on wet roads at lower speeds, i would have thought you may have seen the same as i am seeing?

or am i getting this wrong aswell???


[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Lexus IS200 Sport

TRD'd, Lowered, 18" Kahn Rep's, K & N, Denso IK20's, 7" JVC DVD & Satnav, Fog 2 Brake, shiney interior bits
SOLDConfusedad: - Now a German Drug Dealer:biggrin:

steviewevie
Posting Freak
7,993
03-11-2016, 12:11 AM
#44
Are they definitely T1-R and not T1-S ? Because £70 sounds like a very good price for them ! The T1-R is supposed to be very good in the wet, and I've certainly not noticed any problem.

[Image: Sig-enginebay.jpg]
IS200 Turbo project now just about complete ! See my thread here and leave your comments.
Now running standalone Syvecs ECU and no stock ECU !
steviewevie
03-11-2016, 12:11 AM #44

Are they definitely T1-R and not T1-S ? Because £70 sounds like a very good price for them ! The T1-R is supposed to be very good in the wet, and I've certainly not noticed any problem.


[Image: Sig-enginebay.jpg]
IS200 Turbo project now just about complete ! See my thread here and leave your comments.
Now running standalone Syvecs ECU and no stock ECU !

deckie77
Senior Member
412
03-11-2016, 12:35 AM
#45
Yep T1-R,

There is a hate club for these tyres on the lancer register,
http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread...did=117418
pretty funny reading, from a few years ago, i know these boys are on another level of driving & they have one of the best handling cars there is, but alot have went from the S to the R and wished they hadn't, maybe i should have hunted for them!!!!

[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Lexus IS200 Sport

TRD'd, Lowered, 18" Kahn Rep's, K & N, Denso IK20's, 7" JVC DVD & Satnav, Fog 2 Brake, shiney interior bits
SOLDConfusedad: - Now a German Drug Dealer:biggrin:
deckie77
03-11-2016, 12:35 AM #45

Yep T1-R,

There is a hate club for these tyres on the lancer register,
http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread...did=117418
pretty funny reading, from a few years ago, i know these boys are on another level of driving & they have one of the best handling cars there is, but alot have went from the S to the R and wished they hadn't, maybe i should have hunted for them!!!!


[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Lexus IS200 Sport

TRD'd, Lowered, 18" Kahn Rep's, K & N, Denso IK20's, 7" JVC DVD & Satnav, Fog 2 Brake, shiney interior bits
SOLDConfusedad: - Now a German Drug Dealer:biggrin:

steviewevie
Posting Freak
7,993
03-11-2016, 12:43 AM
#46
To put it into perspective, some of them seem to be recommending the R888. But that is a road-legal slick, in effect, a track tyre that you can also use on the road (which I am guessing will not be too good in the wet !). So I think they're talking about extremely hard driving !

I don't have any complaints with my T1-Rs so far. Running on Chicanes, so I'm using the 225/40 tyres. I see you have 18" wheels too.

[Image: Sig-enginebay.jpg]
IS200 Turbo project now just about complete ! See my thread here and leave your comments.
Now running standalone Syvecs ECU and no stock ECU !
steviewevie
03-11-2016, 12:43 AM #46

To put it into perspective, some of them seem to be recommending the R888. But that is a road-legal slick, in effect, a track tyre that you can also use on the road (which I am guessing will not be too good in the wet !). So I think they're talking about extremely hard driving !

I don't have any complaints with my T1-Rs so far. Running on Chicanes, so I'm using the 225/40 tyres. I see you have 18" wheels too.


[Image: Sig-enginebay.jpg]
IS200 Turbo project now just about complete ! See my thread here and leave your comments.
Now running standalone Syvecs ECU and no stock ECU !

deckie77
Senior Member
412
03-11-2016, 12:44 AM
#47
Sorry Parthiban, for barging in on your thread, but i am in the same boat as you, nothing noticably wrong with my car, but now have this rear handling issue, but i will see how the 17's get on when fitted, see if it makes a difference

[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Lexus IS200 Sport

TRD'd, Lowered, 18" Kahn Rep's, K & N, Denso IK20's, 7" JVC DVD & Satnav, Fog 2 Brake, shiney interior bits
SOLDConfusedad: - Now a German Drug Dealer:biggrin:
deckie77
03-11-2016, 12:44 AM #47

Sorry Parthiban, for barging in on your thread, but i am in the same boat as you, nothing noticably wrong with my car, but now have this rear handling issue, but i will see how the 17's get on when fitted, see if it makes a difference


[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Lexus IS200 Sport

TRD'd, Lowered, 18" Kahn Rep's, K & N, Denso IK20's, 7" JVC DVD & Satnav, Fog 2 Brake, shiney interior bits
SOLDConfusedad: - Now a German Drug Dealer:biggrin:

deckie77
Senior Member
412
03-11-2016, 12:48 AM
#48
steviewevie I don't have any complaints with my T1-Rs so far. Running on Chicanes, so I'm using the 225/40 tyres. I see you have 18" wheels too.

I have 225/45/18. just to fill the arch space up a bit.

[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Lexus IS200 Sport

TRD'd, Lowered, 18" Kahn Rep's, K & N, Denso IK20's, 7" JVC DVD & Satnav, Fog 2 Brake, shiney interior bits
SOLDConfusedad: - Now a German Drug Dealer:biggrin:
deckie77
03-11-2016, 12:48 AM #48

steviewevie I don't have any complaints with my T1-Rs so far. Running on Chicanes, so I'm using the 225/40 tyres. I see you have 18" wheels too.

I have 225/45/18. just to fill the arch space up a bit.


[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Lexus IS200 Sport

TRD'd, Lowered, 18" Kahn Rep's, K & N, Denso IK20's, 7" JVC DVD & Satnav, Fog 2 Brake, shiney interior bits
SOLDConfusedad: - Now a German Drug Dealer:biggrin:

steviewevie
Posting Freak
7,993
03-11-2016, 12:56 AM
#49
deckie77 I have 225/45/18. just to fill the arch space up a bit.

ok, so you have a slightly taller sidewall than me.

[Image: Sig-enginebay.jpg]
IS200 Turbo project now just about complete ! See my thread here and leave your comments.
Now running standalone Syvecs ECU and no stock ECU !
steviewevie
03-11-2016, 12:56 AM #49

deckie77 I have 225/45/18. just to fill the arch space up a bit.

ok, so you have a slightly taller sidewall than me.


[Image: Sig-enginebay.jpg]
IS200 Turbo project now just about complete ! See my thread here and leave your comments.
Now running standalone Syvecs ECU and no stock ECU !

parthiban
Posting Freak
4,925
03-11-2016, 03:03 AM
#50
deckie77 Sorry Parthiban, for barging in on your thread, but i am in the same boat as you, nothing noticably wrong with my car, but now have this rear handling issue, but i will see how the 17's get on when fitted, see if it makes a difference

No problem mate, it's interesting to hear that you have the same problem with different tyres - although I've heard mixed reviews about the Toyos as well so not sure if they may suffer from a similar problem.

Either way I know if I do end up changing tyres I'll either be going back to Dunlop (which I never had a problem with) or will go with the OEM Pirelli P Zeros for the 18" wheels (as there must be a reason Lexus chose them to be the OEM tyre)

I'm really hoping it all goes back to normal once the weather warms up though, because while you're having a problem all the time when it's wet, until the weather got cold the F1As were absolutely phenomenal both in the dry and wet......

2002 '02' IS200 SE Auto - DVD Satnav with Voice Activation - [COLOR="Blue"]Strathcaron Blue - Parking Sensors - 5000K HIDs with Anti-Glare Bulbs - PIAA 6500K Main Beams - LED Sidelights - Mirror/Sunroof Closure - TTE Styling Kit - 18" Styling Kit Alloys with nitrogen filled Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Tyres - Bluetouch Multimedia Kit - Gromaudio AUX in - Black painted calipers with silver Lexus decals - 12 LED Dome Light - 96 LED Boot Light - Stainless Steel Sport Sill Plates - PIAA Silicone Wipers[/COLOR]
parthiban
03-11-2016, 03:03 AM #50

deckie77 Sorry Parthiban, for barging in on your thread, but i am in the same boat as you, nothing noticably wrong with my car, but now have this rear handling issue, but i will see how the 17's get on when fitted, see if it makes a difference

No problem mate, it's interesting to hear that you have the same problem with different tyres - although I've heard mixed reviews about the Toyos as well so not sure if they may suffer from a similar problem.

Either way I know if I do end up changing tyres I'll either be going back to Dunlop (which I never had a problem with) or will go with the OEM Pirelli P Zeros for the 18" wheels (as there must be a reason Lexus chose them to be the OEM tyre)

I'm really hoping it all goes back to normal once the weather warms up though, because while you're having a problem all the time when it's wet, until the weather got cold the F1As were absolutely phenomenal both in the dry and wet......


2002 '02' IS200 SE Auto - DVD Satnav with Voice Activation - [COLOR="Blue"]Strathcaron Blue - Parking Sensors - 5000K HIDs with Anti-Glare Bulbs - PIAA 6500K Main Beams - LED Sidelights - Mirror/Sunroof Closure - TTE Styling Kit - 18" Styling Kit Alloys with nitrogen filled Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric Tyres - Bluetouch Multimedia Kit - Gromaudio AUX in - Black painted calipers with silver Lexus decals - 12 LED Dome Light - 96 LED Boot Light - Stainless Steel Sport Sill Plates - PIAA Silicone Wipers[/COLOR]

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