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Coilovers vs. Lowing Springs

Coilovers vs. Lowing Springs

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Poll: Coilovers or Lowering Springs
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Lowering Springs, in the next month
36.84%
Votes 7
Coilovers, within next 6months if I am lucky!
63.16%
Votes 12
 
Total 19 vote(s) 100%
edeath
Senior Member
525
25-11-2017, 02:15 AM
#21
Phil01 In my opinion is why will they put more stress on the shocks, all it does is make the stroke of the damper less, there is no more weight, no more load,
Less piston stroke equals less movement in damper so internal parts in reality shouls last longer.

Phil the reason it puts stress on the shocks is that they are constantly compressed compared to standard. Shocks are designed for a certain ride height and therefore if lowering springs are fitted this compresses them.

I've heard people say that each 1,000 miles takes 1% off the life of a damper so you can think of it as if fitted with lowering springs its takes 1.5% off the life of the damper.

There are specially designed shortened dampers for lowered cars such as the Bilstien B4 sports dampers. These are designed to be fitted with lowering springs but are of OEM Spec - however unfortunately these are not available for the Mk1 Lexus IS

Was Supercharged Racing Green IS200 Sport. Now APR Stage 1 Seat Leon Cupra (220 Bhp).
edeath
25-11-2017, 02:15 AM #21

Phil01 In my opinion is why will they put more stress on the shocks, all it does is make the stroke of the damper less, there is no more weight, no more load,
Less piston stroke equals less movement in damper so internal parts in reality shouls last longer.

Phil the reason it puts stress on the shocks is that they are constantly compressed compared to standard. Shocks are designed for a certain ride height and therefore if lowering springs are fitted this compresses them.

I've heard people say that each 1,000 miles takes 1% off the life of a damper so you can think of it as if fitted with lowering springs its takes 1.5% off the life of the damper.

There are specially designed shortened dampers for lowered cars such as the Bilstien B4 sports dampers. These are designed to be fitted with lowering springs but are of OEM Spec - however unfortunately these are not available for the Mk1 Lexus IS


Was Supercharged Racing Green IS200 Sport. Now APR Stage 1 Seat Leon Cupra (220 Bhp).

edeath
Senior Member
525
25-11-2017, 02:29 AM
#22
ormi The only real benefit to running coilovers is theirs so much adjustment on them.

This is agree with. The best handling setups are going to be a well matched spring and damper combination. Coilovers (expecially cheap ones) are very hard riding and (as above) only really benefit you if you are after a large drop. If you are only after a 35-50mm drop you are best off buying a spring and damper set.

The coilovers are always best arguement is often not the case and quite often only applies to those who like to hide their alloys in the wheelarches.

Was Supercharged Racing Green IS200 Sport. Now APR Stage 1 Seat Leon Cupra (220 Bhp).
edeath
25-11-2017, 02:29 AM #22

ormi The only real benefit to running coilovers is theirs so much adjustment on them.

This is agree with. The best handling setups are going to be a well matched spring and damper combination. Coilovers (expecially cheap ones) are very hard riding and (as above) only really benefit you if you are after a large drop. If you are only after a 35-50mm drop you are best off buying a spring and damper set.

The coilovers are always best arguement is often not the case and quite often only applies to those who like to hide their alloys in the wheelarches.


Was Supercharged Racing Green IS200 Sport. Now APR Stage 1 Seat Leon Cupra (220 Bhp).

FirebirdPhil
Posting Freak
7,101
25-11-2017, 04:12 AM
#23
The MR2 runs with lowering springs and a set of dampers designed for lowering springs. It had coil-overs on but the new wheels wouldn't fit with coil-overs on, so she went back to springs and dampers. The ride is hard but cornering speeds are impressive/scary.

"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"
FirebirdPhil
25-11-2017, 04:12 AM #23

The MR2 runs with lowering springs and a set of dampers designed for lowering springs. It had coil-overs on but the new wheels wouldn't fit with coil-overs on, so she went back to springs and dampers. The ride is hard but cornering speeds are impressive/scary.


"Life's goal is not to arrive safely at the grave in a well preserved body. But, rather to skid in sideways........
totally worn out and broken, shouting 'Holy ****, WHAT A RIDE!'"

Phil01
Posting Freak
2,004
25-11-2017, 08:48 AM
#24
sounds like lowering springs are rising in the poll james, Now only you can decide what you want to do,
Phil01
25-11-2017, 08:48 AM #24

sounds like lowering springs are rising in the poll james, Now only you can decide what you want to do,

James S
Posting Freak
1,240
27-11-2017, 04:16 AM
#25
Phil01 I am with edeath on this one and I am glad that ed was the first to defend lowering springs as i did not want to appear to be an un-knowledgeable rebel.
In my opinion is why will they put more stress on the shocks, all it does is make the stroke of the damper less, there is no more weight, no more load,
Less piston stroke equals less movement in damper so internal parts in reality shouls last longer.
Ok if like peeps say it puts more stress on dampers then hey, how long does the average owner keep his car for before he sells it, the car is involved in an accident or you mod it again, I bet any of these scenarios happen long before your lowered shocks get knackered.

Just my humble opinion and none of the above posts would sway me away from fitting lowering springs, the only reason I have not done my sportscross yet is I cant be naffed in this cold weather

Yeah, defo agreee with this, :thumbup1:
Think it'll have to be lowering springs.
James S
27-11-2017, 04:16 AM #25

Phil01 I am with edeath on this one and I am glad that ed was the first to defend lowering springs as i did not want to appear to be an un-knowledgeable rebel.
In my opinion is why will they put more stress on the shocks, all it does is make the stroke of the damper less, there is no more weight, no more load,
Less piston stroke equals less movement in damper so internal parts in reality shouls last longer.
Ok if like peeps say it puts more stress on dampers then hey, how long does the average owner keep his car for before he sells it, the car is involved in an accident or you mod it again, I bet any of these scenarios happen long before your lowered shocks get knackered.

Just my humble opinion and none of the above posts would sway me away from fitting lowering springs, the only reason I have not done my sportscross yet is I cant be naffed in this cold weather

Yeah, defo agreee with this, :thumbup1:
Think it'll have to be lowering springs.

Phil01
Posting Freak
2,004
27-11-2017, 05:23 AM
#26
I want to lower my s/cross, but you can only buy them in sets of four,
I only want the rears as the s/cross sits soooooo high at the rear, but the fronts on standard springs look fine,
Phil01
27-11-2017, 05:23 AM #26

I want to lower my s/cross, but you can only buy them in sets of four,
I only want the rears as the s/cross sits soooooo high at the rear, but the fronts on standard springs look fine,

Dark Samurai
Posting Freak
4,957
28-11-2017, 11:06 AM
#27
But your engine is at the front, not only lowering the front, but rising the back.

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Dark Samurai
28-11-2017, 11:06 AM #27

But your engine is at the front, not only lowering the front, but rising the back.


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MeisterR
Senior Member
284
02-01-2018, 06:32 AM
#28
There are quite a bit of difference between a good quality set of coilovers vs. lowering springs.
The biggest difference is how it affect the behavior of the car and how much control you have over it.

Lowering Springs are progressive springs design to lower the ride height of the car.
Design correctly this can make the car handle better using the standard dampers as the springs rate will stiffen as the springs compress.
The main draw back is you have no control over the ride height or ride quality, what you see is what you get pretty much.

Coilovers can allow precise adjustment to the ride height and the ride quality (damping adjustments).
Generally coilovers give much more control over the behavior of the car.
Especially "Dual Perch" coilovers like the MeisterR Europa Coilovers, they can independently adjust the spring tension and ride height, which mean you are able to lower your car without changing the ride quality.

Coilovers also use "Linear Rate" springs most of the time, and I find this provide me much more confidence because the weight transfer is much smoother than a progressive rate springs.
What this mean when you are able to feel what the car want to do alot more and are able to trust the car because you know it won't do some unexpected weight shift at the exit of the corner when you put the power down.

Finally, coilovers does not have to be harsh as many people say.
Normally you will find harsh coilovers because they are design for track use and not on the UK uneven road surfaces.
Properly design, a coilovers can be as every bit comfortable for daily driving, with the added adjustments available for those occasional track days where you know the surfaces will be flat. Smile
MeisterR
02-01-2018, 06:32 AM #28

There are quite a bit of difference between a good quality set of coilovers vs. lowering springs.
The biggest difference is how it affect the behavior of the car and how much control you have over it.

Lowering Springs are progressive springs design to lower the ride height of the car.
Design correctly this can make the car handle better using the standard dampers as the springs rate will stiffen as the springs compress.
The main draw back is you have no control over the ride height or ride quality, what you see is what you get pretty much.

Coilovers can allow precise adjustment to the ride height and the ride quality (damping adjustments).
Generally coilovers give much more control over the behavior of the car.
Especially "Dual Perch" coilovers like the MeisterR Europa Coilovers, they can independently adjust the spring tension and ride height, which mean you are able to lower your car without changing the ride quality.

Coilovers also use "Linear Rate" springs most of the time, and I find this provide me much more confidence because the weight transfer is much smoother than a progressive rate springs.
What this mean when you are able to feel what the car want to do alot more and are able to trust the car because you know it won't do some unexpected weight shift at the exit of the corner when you put the power down.

Finally, coilovers does not have to be harsh as many people say.
Normally you will find harsh coilovers because they are design for track use and not on the UK uneven road surfaces.
Properly design, a coilovers can be as every bit comfortable for daily driving, with the added adjustments available for those occasional track days where you know the surfaces will be flat. Smile

Rabster
Posting Freak
10,234
05-01-2018, 03:22 PM
#29
Some good info there
Rabster
05-01-2018, 03:22 PM #29

Some good info there

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